CSU man Waigel as a guest: Lanz is concerned about Hamas sleepers: “Nothing would be worse”
As Federal Minister of Finance, he helped bring about German unity. Now CSU politician Theo Waigel is worried about the future of democracy. In addition to the political polarization caused by parties like the AfD, he also spoke on the ZDF political talk “Markus Lanz” about the wars in Israel and Ukraine.
Markus Lanz welcomed CSU honorary member Theo Waigel on Thursday evening with the words: “No one has been Federal Finance Minister for as long as this man.” He was also the one who was there when Mikhail Gorbachev cleared the way to German unity. “What does he, who lost his brother in the World War, think about the war? And what does he think about the rise of the AfD? And what about the frustration of many East Germans with democracy?” Lanz asked in his broadcast.
Initially, Waigel was surprisingly optimistic when he said: “One shouldn’t act as if we didn’t have similar problems before.” At the same time, he added that he considered the federal government’s constant public quarrels to be “a wrong, unnecessary discussion.” “which is counterproductive.”
In a conversation with Lanz, Waigel called for clearer leadership from Chancellor Olaf Scholz, particularly with a view to arms deliveries to Ukraine: “We really have to be braver. (…) Every tank that is now going to Ukraine will create a theater and a public discussion.” For the CSU man, the only solution is to first make a decision, then deliver the tanks and only then to justify the decision publicly.
Theo Waigel at Lanz: “Nothing would be worse”
Theo Waigel followed up further when he said: “There is too much discussion, too little decision is made!” In this context, the CSU man complained that nowadays there is too much consideration given to “certain wings in the party”. to act out of conviction. “People are too afraid of the polls, of the mood, rather than creating the mood themselves,” Waigel stated seriously. He added that the war images from Ukraine and Israel are particularly close to him because: “To take someone’s life unjustly is very bitter.”
Markus Lanz also made it clear: “It is simply completely pointless dying. That’s what war is.” Waigel himself lost his brother in World War II. He was all the more shocked by the renewed unrest in Europe: “The terrible thing is that humanity obviously learns relatively little from the past.” Lanz and Waigel also spoke openly about the consequences of the current war situation. The ZDF presenter explained, among other things, that there are fears that Hamas fighters could also be smuggled among Israeli refugees.
Waigel said: “Nothing would be worse than if we brought sleepers into the country who would then continue the terror from the country with us. The greatest vigilance is required, and the authorities (…) are really called upon to do so.” According to Waigel, in general, a kind of loss of control is becoming apparent in view of the constant flow of refugees. Regarding the wave of refugees in 2015, he said: “It was no longer controlled. If a crowd simply crosses the border, then I no longer know who it is.” According to the politician, this control must also be restored “at the German borders” if necessary.
“The performance was bad”: Theo Waigel settles accounts with Hubert Aiwanger
Markus Lanz also addressed the polarization in the country and the rise of the AfD. Theo Waigel then admitted: “One thing or another makes me worried, even though I’m basically an optimist.” With regard to the AfD, he warned: “Politics must not freeze in hatred and anger.” Particularly radical statements from politicians like Björn The CSU man considers Höcke and Sahra Wagenknecht’s nationalism to be “extremely dangerous”. Lanz added with a serious expression: “It will be very destructive.”
In this context, Waigel also criticized the “Free Voters” leader Hubert Aiwanger and his speech in Erding. At a demonstration against the heating law at the beginning of June, Aiwanger demanded that “the silent majority of this country” must “take back democracy.” Waigel said: “The performance (…) was bad. To say, ‘Those up there have their asses open’ is a bit of an unsavory way of saying it.”
This is precisely why Waigel called for strong cooperation between the government and the opposition: “If the problems are solved, then we will deprive both the AfD and the far left of their arguments.” He added optimistically: “Such a ghost can last for a certain period of time, but it will not last.”